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		<title>Walks About Like a Lion</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[There's nothing like a little religiousity to get the blood flowing, as many former religionists know. I came from the Xian tradition coupled with an ample seasoning of humanism.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Via James Dean)</p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing like a little religiousity to get the blood flowing, as many former religionists know. I came from the Xian tradition coupled with an ample seasoning of humanism. (My bet is that my mom is as close as one can come to being a free thinker as possible but still be vaguely literalist in the cross bit.) BUT DON&#8217;T BE CONFUSED: I am a proud agnostic-atheist because agnosticism is only logical and atheism is the general default that follows most readily from that.</p>
<p>I once thought Jesus would have nothing to do with me, based on my popularity. I once thought he was really interested in my letting go of a little pent up tension -one way or the next, to people&#8217;s help and not their hurt. I once thought God should alternately be spelled in lower case and upper case letters and Jesse should be substituted for Jesus every here and there -so we could see the meanings of the passages beyond language. I once thought I might one day see a limb regrown. And now &#8230; enough is enough.</p>
<p>If people want to be foolish, they should do it while living their own lives -not a prescribed version -but this, only if they&#8217;re intelligent enough. And yes, that&#8217;s inflammatory. And yes, that&#8217;s okay. And no, you can&#8217;t count on a government to do it for you. And yes, we should all stop them from trying.</p>
<p>The facts are these, in short: Grew up all my life in a Christian home with over zealous father; comes from some real psychological absurdity he couldn&#8217;t have helped -and maybe, no one else could: chemical &amp;/ trauma-induced imbalance in grandmother. My mother grew up with a father that turned alcoholic, abusively, and womanizingly so, too, and she was left to raise her three brothers in this same home most of her younger years -she somehow sustained some wonderful humanism through it all. My grandfather, on my dad&#8217;s side, certainly had his problems, but he was always a skeptic, and educator, even if a believer underneath it all -my dad went more fundamentalist on his own or with some help from the older women in his life -his mom and his grandmother who lived with them. (They, his mom &amp; his grandmom, were also into spiritualism.)</p>
<p>I swooned under the influence of paranormal research, meditative apathy, prayers to a transcendent I-never-could tell-quite-what and three counts of full blown depression (the last two for which I took meds): after several Psychology courses, two Dale Carnegie books, Penn &amp; Teller -especially, Season 3 (which I got from my grandparents -dad&#8217;s side- three christmases ago), Michael Shermer in his debate on God/Atheism (militant agnosticism!), and Guy P. Harrison&#8217;s (Prometheus publishes it) 50 reasons people give for believing in a god, and Bernard M. Patten&#8217;s book Truth, Knowledge, Or Just Plain Bull: How To Tell The Difference -these sources really helped, as did a little reflection and appreciation of the glibly persuasive account of god given by Douglas Adams on evolution/god -it&#8217;s maybe 5 minutes long, yet better than several books on the subject.</p>
<p>Somehow, I clawed my way to skepticism, secular humanism, and philosophical pursuits. It didn&#8217;t hurt that a personality test placed me in a group of real heady thinkers when I was 20. The Tao Te Ching, read largely in a philosophical context several times over a dozen years, really helped me break free of much of the indoctrination before I learned logic, took a couple introductory literature courses, and began to read the Skeptical Inquirer (their FB stuff is quite good, too).</p>
<p>I guess, I made my own extended therapy through literature, philosophy, logic, life&#8217;s disappointments and wonderments, and yes, even the Four Horsemen -though I want to see what is better put and more vigorous and erudite than anything they have to say about atheism.</p>
<p>Screw communism and screw capitalism -and no, I&#8217;m not so sure about any -ism, -ian, -ish, or substitute for thinking -or feeling, for that matter. But let them play their part if they accept that they don&#8217;t want to stand between those who embrace life and those who won&#8217;t get in it&#8217;s way, either.</p>
<p>Power to the people.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m 31 and still have some libido religion couldn&#8217;t snatch away from me. Praise whatever you call-it! -I&#8217;m celebrating it/me.</p>
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		<title>Got Away Twice</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[My parents were “born again” when I was five years old. They quickly became zealots. They used our house for church gatherings and backyard bible study.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Via Constantine)</p>
<p><strong>De-conversion 1.</strong></p>
<p>My parents were “born again” when I was five years old. They quickly became zealots. They used our house for church gatherings and backyard bible study. People were constantly coming and going. My parents became extremely active in their zealotry, witnessing door to door and going to church three times a week This was the mid-seventies and I have nostalgic memories of the long-haired Jesus freaks coming over with their sandals and guitars. At this age I picked up and filtered the messages I was hearing at church: we are the best church, we are saved and others are not, we are good and they are bad. I was five when I formally accepted Jesus Christ into my heart. In elementary school, I was an active crusader, genuinely concerned about my schoolmates’ souls.</p>
<p>When I was about seven, my dad and two other guys from our church broke off and founded their own church, which rented out a space at a private school. It was exciting to me. After intense worship with the Jesus freaks on their guitars, the “elders” would gather after the sermon and have adamant theological discussions. Of course I was far too young to understand what they were talking about, but I imagined that they were spiritual explorers constantly testing the endless bounds of the universe in search of the ultimate truth. This was great, because, I never understood the concept of God. My parents taught me how to pray but I never felt like anything like “God” was out there. It seemed as foreign as learning the alphabet – a system that you are taught, rather than something innate that you are connecting to.</p>
<p>Around this age I developed a fascination with nature and especially animals. I picked up every book I could find about animals and learned as much as I could. One day in Sunday school when I was about 10 or 11, the teacher opened up a strange new kind of “animal” book. This book had nice illustrations but the concepts it was showing were very different from the animal books I had been reading. On top of that, it showed its arguments in a clumsy and artificial way. It was attempting to show that all of the animal species were “created” and couldn’t have “evolved.” I couldn’t accept this. It seemed contrived and dishonest. Because of that I began to be skeptical of the other concepts taught at that church. I paid close attention at the sermons. I became suspicious and would silently challenge the teachings of the “elders” in terms of logic. I gradually became horrified. These people weren’t spiritual explorers – they first decided what they wanted to believe in and then employed everything and anything to try to support their beliefs. Almost everything they said appeared to be circular. I can’t tell you how betrayed I felt. Not only were their beliefs defended with circular arguments but if anyone disagreed with their beliefs they lied, bullied, threatened and used anything in their power to overcome. Not only all of this, but I started to become aware of the dark side to the born-again experience. They seemed to prey on the emotionally weak. They had a systematic way of latching onto the unconverted and circling like vultures, waiting for a breakdown, which they helped set in motion by constantly telling them about their sins and guilt and how Jesus would forgive them if only they accepted him. They went to hospitals waiting for the alcoholic or severely depressed to give in, they would pile people in a van and drive to someone’s house who just reached “bottom” and have an “intervention”, and list goes on and on. Inevitably these broken people would show up weeks later completely “changed.” Endless testimonies were given about how people accepted Jesus.</p>
<p>There I was, an early adolescent, totally alone, estranged from my parent’s church, suspicious, distrustful and no one to turn to. My thoughts remained absolutely secret. You have to understand the terrible vulture mentality of this church. These people are finely tuned to a person’s demeanor. If they detect the slightest deviation they LOCK ON TO YOU. So I learned to be a spy behind enemy lines. I thought my parents would disown me if they knew the truth. This was such an unhealthy way to grow up. I learned great stuff – how to stuff my feelings, how to hate, how to be subversive, deviant, cynical, manipulative and angry. I learned how to reject religion and all things “spiritual” without learning how to adopt anything positive.</p>
<p>By High School I was a terror. I couldn’t hide my rebellion at this point. I took to punk rock like second nature. I loved the most destructive kids. I hated religion with a passion. I pretended to go to youth group on a Wednesday night but before the session began I would collect as many kids as I could and go to the park and hang out instead. I tried to convince these kids about the lie of Christianity.</p>
<p><strong>De-conversion 2.</strong></p>
<p>My life went from bad to worse. By my junior year of High School I was drinking every day. I was always in trouble. My parents were convinced I was on drugs (and possessed by the Devil – I was fond of items deemed Satanic by the church- black T-shirts with skulls, skull rings, anything shocking!). In spite all of this I still managed to go to college. But after three semesters I dropped out and moved to a large city. There I drifted in and out of homelessness and disaster, in a complete alcoholic haze. To make another long story short, I eventually sobered up and went to AA.</p>
<p>A couple of months after sobering up I had an extremely intense experience. For as long as I can remember alcohol was all I could remember that I cared about. When it was suddenly taken away I had a terrifying, empty, scared feeling. I had no coping skills to speak of. At the place where I lived I knew these two girls who were hard-core Christians. One night we spent all night talking about my experiences with the church, alcohol and my sobering up. Afterwards by myself at 4 o’clock in the morning I had this sudden, intense feeling of total, unconditional love. Then I had this thought: What if I had been wrong about Christianity and who am I to say there is no God? It was absolutely crushing. My whole world changed.</p>
<p>I carried this experience with me and at the time I think it was exactly what I needed. It helped me get over the initial hump of trying to get and stay sober. I was still extremely distrustful of organized Christianity. This time around I decided to do an experiment – I am not going to commit to a church. I am not going to surround myself with fundamentalists. The parts that I have trouble accepting, I’m just going to not question for now, and the parts that other Christians are telling me, I’m just going to try to keep an open mind and try to understand where they are coming from.</p>
<p>At that point I had a nominal belief in Jesus Christ and a vague belief in the God of the Bible. I’ve gotta say, this helped me incalculably for a couple of years. I tried never to let my mind question too much, but at the same time I did not associate with fundamentalists. My life got better – significantly better. I could keep a job, I went back to school, I became more responsible, my clarity of mind started coming back, my relationships with others got better, etc, etc. In essence I was “growing up.”</p>
<p>After about three years or so things started to bubble up. Internally I never really stopped questioning religious ideas. Somehow I began to realize that Christian beliefs were hard to maintain because there is a hard-to-ignore concept of “fooling yourself.” There are concepts in the religion that deep down I found extremely hard to accept –not because they are super-spiritual or fantastic, but because they seem so artificial. Anyway, about this time I became involved with a girl who was a hardcore Christian. It was a short, intense relationship. It bothered me how intolerant she was of anything not Christian, but was very quick to ascribe the most mundane events to the work of demons and angels. She was also a very fearful, unstable and unhappy person, filled with a lot of guilt.</p>
<p>Everything came to head around this time. I just couldn’t accept the concept of Hell. If God is an all loving, omnipotent being who only wants the best for all creatures, then why Hell? When I honestly and thoroughly thought about this, it just absolutely did not make any sense – nor could I ignore it. I don’t want to believe in a God who could do this to people. This began the quick work of the whole thing unraveling again. It wasn’t long before I was a non-believer. Not just Hell, but many other concepts seem to me to be artificial, disjointed, self-serving and obviously created by humans over time.</p>
<p>The difference in de-conversion this time, was that I had developed coping skills, I was stable and I had all my intellectual and emotional capacities intact. I didn’t feel like I had to belong to this religion or that religion. I began a journey of trial and error. I learned to just keep an open mind and that it’s okay to let life and spirituality just be an unfolding process and my beliefs never have to be set in stone. I feel this life is one of exploration and growth. I cannot stagnate in a crazy religion that seeks to limit a person to arbitrary boundaries unquestioningly. In fact I think that is absolutely the worse thing a person can do to themselves and others.</p>
<p>The intense experience that I had when I first sobered up, never said to me, “I am the Holy Spirit “, or “Now you have to believe in Christ.” It was simply a pure feeling of love, which opened me up to the possibilities of the universe. Even though I was not a Christian before this experience, I was as closed and narrow-minded as any fundamentalist. Christians think that the born-again experience is a trump card which proves their religion, but they don’t realize that it is also common to a variety of other religions, spiritual awakenings and even non-religious realizations.</p>
<p>I feel extremely lucky that I got away and found a path that seems appropriate for me. However, fundamentalist Christianity, my experiences with it and my getting away from it are the biggest issues in my life, sometimes eclipsing alcoholism. Because of the way I grew up and the fact that my whole entire family and extended family (excluding an atheist grandfather), are fundamentalist Christians, I feel as if the whole thing has left a huge scar that is healing slowly. Sometimes it’s no big deal and sometimes it hurts a lot. The same way some ex-Catholics have the famous “Catholic” guilt, I think that I suffer from some kind of ex-fundamentalist “you’re still going to Hell!” syndrome. Sometimes Christian propaganda is clumsy, but some of it really, really tries to burrow it’s way inside your brain and break you down. It feels sometimes like recovering from a disease.</p>
<p>Sometimes I want to tell all of those people off, and sometimes I feel sorry for them. If there’s one aspect of that religion I wish I could change it is the concept of the fact that they think there is only one path. I don’t care what people believe in. As far as I’m concerned, that’s for each person to decide for themselves and has nothing to do with me. The thing is, when people start believing that their way is the only way and others are damned, causing others to be damned and sabotaging eternal life, things get ugly. I can’t change that. This is what we as ex- or non-believers have to deal with.</p>
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		<title>Coming out G-dless</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[(Via Angela Rey) my ascent to a humanist perspective has been a very slow and painful journey. raised independent fundamentalist baptist (IFB), i very deeply believed in heaven, hell, jesus, literal creation, virgin birth&#8230; if it was in the christian scripture, i soaked it in. i was baptized at 7, led my first convert to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Via <a rel="nofollow" href="http://theformerfundie.com/2009/05/25/coming-out-g-dless/" target="_blank">Angela Rey</a>)</p>
<p>my ascent to a humanist perspective has been a very slow and painful journey. raised independent fundamentalist baptist (IFB), i very deeply believed in heaven, hell, jesus, literal creation, virgin birth&#8230; if it was in the christian scripture, i soaked it in. i was baptized at 7, led my first convert to christ at 10, and attended bible college at 18.</p>
<p>after bible college, it made sense to me to learn about scriptures from the jewish perspective; so i enrolled in the judaic studies program at UCF.</p>
<p>to avoid deceit, i must confess that a big part of the draw was to learn how to better convert jews. don&#8217;t listen to what other evangelicals may tell you, we totally get extra points for the chosen people.</p>
<p>instead of finding a community of people lost and empty in their own self-deceit, everyone seemed totally normal. what&#8217;s more, a lot of them were atheists, and no one seemed to have a problem with that.</p>
<p>i had been brought up to believe that &#8220;humanists&#8221; and &#8220;atheists&#8221; were under literal demonic influence and part of a vast evil plot by satan to destroy humanity.</p>
<p>imagine my surprise when the exorcisms failed.</p>
<p>so i&#8217;ll spare you the details of my lengthy discussions with professors, rabbis, pastors, physicists, and my cosmically important friendship with a reformed jew turned atheist.</p>
<p>intellectually, the evidence was clear. A fundamentalist view of the world stops working the minute you look beyond the few resources approved by your tiny sect.</p>
<p>emotionally, this was all very hard to accept. in order to give myself the freedom to objectively assess the situation, i had to take the chance that this was all some elaborate scheme of satan&#8217;s to deceive me.</p>
<p>in the end, it seemed to me that a religion worth believing in should stand up to a little objective scrutiny.</p>
<p>from beginning to end, it took me 5 years to drag myself out of fundamentalism completely&#8230; and another 2 years to tell anyone about it.</p>
<p>i was 27 when my mother found out. she cried, fumed, prayed, and kept my atheism as her shameful secret. i led a double life to save face for her.</p>
<p>the election in November changed everything. for the first time in a long time, i cared about something. i liked that feeling and decided it shouldn&#8217;t stop.</p>
<p>i refuse to feel like an outcast because i&#8217;m no longer religious, and i refuse to be quiet about gay rights, stem cell research, evolution, abortion, or anything else i&#8217;m passionate about because it may offend someone else&#8217;s beliefs.</p>
<p>it seems to me that there&#8217;s some unspoken rule i had agreed to. that because i don&#8217;t have a g-d or imaginary elf associated with my beliefs, they&#8217;re somehow less important. that&#8217;s simply not true.</p>
<p>i do not need a g-d to validate me. i do not need a hell to scare me into being a good person. i handle that all on my own. i&#8217;m out, and i&#8217;m proud.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[(Via Inversionmaster) My story is probably not that interesting (until the more recent stuff) since I was never a believer. I vaguely recall kindergarten Sunday school and having doubts about the creation story. My family attended church off and on, due to my mother&#8217;s prodding. Mom might be considered Christian-lite and my dad is probably [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Via Inversionmaster)</p>
<p>My story is probably not that interesting (until the more recent stuff) since I was never a believer. I vaguely recall kindergarten Sunday school and having doubts about the creation story. My family attended church off and on, due to my mother&#8217;s prodding. Mom might be considered Christian-lite and my dad is probably a weak agnostic. As a boy, I recall going to weekend cub scout event but if you didn&#8217;t attend the really wishy-washy church service you had to help in the kitchen (it was more fun anyway!). I left out &#8220;under god&#8221; during the Pledge in school (nobody noticed). A few years later, my mom made me attend confirmation classes but I thought it was a bunch of nonsense. Shortly after that we switched to a more modern Episcopal church where the minister would occasional swear and I even joined the choir (good snacks!). Too busy or not interested in church during high school. As a college student I never attended church but had a couple of strange experiences with the &#8220;faithful&#8221;. There was the student down the hall who sent 10% of his financial aid to the church and I remember thinking that was just wrong. There was a fundie classmate who was into the whole young earth creationist thing. This kind of blew me away since we were both in the cell and molecular biology program at a large research university. He refused to answer questions dealing with evolution and even showed me his exams with the zeros. I respected his determination but not the arguments. Up until this point I would probably consider myself a weak agnostic, other than a few run-ins with these characters, religion just had little impact on my life.</p>
<p>In graduate school I met a woman who was catholic. She was not that hard-core, though there were a couple of things she was strict about like not missing church and Lent. I cheerfully followed along, perhaps feeling like I did something &#8220;good&#8221; by attending church. After a couple of years dating, we married and had two beautiful, intelligent kids. Slowly the Catholicism was replaced by fundamentalist protestant Christianity. It started with a Bible study class which lead to Sunday *night* services and sometimes Wednesday prayer meetings, AWANA, Vacation Bible Study and other stuff. Our library is filled with books by CS Lewis, James Dobson, Lee Strobel, Josh McDowell and related ilk. I attend Sunday morning service but have made it clear that it is only to &#8220;keep the peace&#8221;. All of our friends are church members, so it is hard to develop more than superficial friendships. I can only protest in silly little ways; by *not* singing at church, *not* bowing my head during prayer in church, small contributions to the collection plate (to pay for the air) despite several pleas that god will bless us if we cough up 10%. I&#8217;ve told my wife she is free to get a job to pay her 10% but she is so tied up with bible studies that won&#8217;t happen. In an odd way this has made me much more liberal on many issues. We don&#8217;t attend any charismatic churches and I have told her that there will be serious problems if she moves in that direction.</p>
<p>So we have this impasse. I don&#8217;t know if religion has helped my wife become a fantastic mother but on other hand I know it has mediocre wife. To be fair, she probably feels the same way about me. We both know that if things were done all over again under the current conditions we never would have had a second date, so yeah, valentine&#8217;s and anniversaries are a bit awkward.</p>
<p>As my children are approaching the end of their high school years they will be under less influence from their mother. There are several looming issues pertaining to college. Their mother has really played up very conservative colleges. I fear attending one of these schools will lock them into a network of like-minded peers, alienating me even further. At this point, the kids have what they think of as a strong faith, is it my job to tear that down? This is a very difficult position, whether a secular or christian university, one parent is going to be disappointed. So in some ways I hope my story is a bit of warning to those consider being &#8220;unequally yoked&#8221;. From what I&#8217;ve observed, people tend to get more conservative in their religious views as time goes on, especially when children are involved.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[(Via BiMamaFeminAtheist) This story was originally posted on ex-christian.net so references to fundie trolls are intended for that audience. I was born at home in January of 1983. Six of my grandmothers eight grandchildren were born this way (the other two are adopted). My parents split up before I can remember, and my mother went [...]]]></description>
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<p>This story was originally posted on <a href="http://ex-christian.net/" target="_blank">ex-christian.net</a> so references to fundie trolls are intended for that audience.</p>
<p>I was born at home in January of 1983. Six of my grandmothers eight grandchildren were born this way (the other two are adopted). My parents split up before I can remember, and my mother went back to school to get her degrees (ending up with a PhD). So my grandmother was my primary parent (although mom did live in the same home). My grandmother, who I have always known as Giggy, was both devout and insane. She made the rules and meted out the punishments. In the late 1970s she wrote a Xtian bestseller about the end times and promptly retired from nursing, a job she hated. After a few years of notoriety and fame in the Xtian fundy world (then known as charismatic) she became a &#8220;spiritual midwife&#8221;, urging women to forgo traditional prenatal care and instead root out &#8220;defilements&#8221; in their lives that might cause a less-than-perfect birth experience. This is the world I grew up in: no Smurfs, Care Bears, or Fraggle Rock. No music outside of church and church choir. No movies till they&#8217;d been broadcast on basic TV and then recorded and edited by my grandmother (heavy on that fast-forward button through any bad language or dirtiness). No public school till 4th grade, when my mom graduated and we moved out of state to get away from Gig.</p>
<p>I was sheltered from typical childhood experiences like trick-or-treating (evil and pagan) and Santa (a threat to the &#8220;true&#8221; meaning of the laughably, equally pagan Christmas) but instead exposed to horrors like medically unassisted home births. I remember being maybe six years old, coloring in the dining room of a stranger&#8217;s home for hours and hours and hours, when suddenly my grandmother pulled me into the bedroom where the birthing was taking place. There were complications, and my grandmother seemed to think God would be more amenable to the prayers of a child in this case, so I was brought in the room to lay hands on the laboring woman. Her baby was premature and so small. I don&#8217;t know now how it turned out later in life. We were just there for the births, as far as I know. My grandmother wrote another book, this one non-fictional (supposedly) about her experiences in the &#8220;home birth ministry&#8221;. This one has sold all over the world. My grandmother was invited to speaking engagements across the US and as far away as Perth, Australia to tell people how they weren&#8217;t real Xtians if they didn&#8217;t put ALL their faith in God. Did I mention we weren&#8217;t allowed to lock our doors? Because that would mean putting our faith in things of this world, like man-made locks, instead of in our heavenly provider and protector.</p>
<p>We did not go to doctors. I got into the typical childhood scrapes, bruises and cuts. I also remember stepping on a rusty carpenter&#8217;s nail in my cousin&#8217;s back yard when I was about 5 and it going clean through my foot. No tetnus shot for me! Just prayer. It was the one-size-fits-all magic bullet. And it was all about manipulating God to do what He promised in that book of his. We had this huge wooden door hanging on the wall in our entry room, that my grandmother had painted blue, and had written the names of God from the OT in white paint (Jehovah Rapha, Nissi, Shalom, etc.) If you want a pop-cultural figure to relate her to, I offer Becky Fischer of &#8220;Jesus Camp&#8221; fame. Actually, watching that whole documentary was like some weird flashback, and what has triggered me writing this story.</p>
<p>So here was this incredibly &#8220;Godly&#8217; woman, well respected in the Xtian circles we saw (fundamentalist charismatic crazies), who would beat the shit out of us, supposedly because we were &#8220;in rebellion&#8221; and our &#8220;Adam nature&#8221; had gotten out of hand. Also that whole crap about &#8220;spare the rod, spoil the child&#8221;. Gee, thanks Jesus, way to give child abuse some real religious authority! Fucker. But the weird thing was, for all the emotional, spiritual, mental and physical abuse, this was also the woman who would comfort me. When I had nightmares (which was frequently) she would rock me in her chair and sing Xtian hymns/lullabies about the peace of God to me, and hold me till I felt better, long after the age where I no longer comfortably fit in her ample lap.</p>
<p>My family was actually a bit open-minded in a close-minded way when it came to various denominations. We were non-denominational because NONE of them had enough &#8220;faith&#8221; as proscribed by Gig, but to get us out of her hair she&#8217;d happily send us to every single VBS (Vacation Bible School) in town: the Methodist one, the Mennonite one, etc. and we were involved in children&#8217;s choir at the Baptist church.</p>
<p>In second grade I stopped being homeschooled and started attending a local private Christian school (I believe Church of God, but I&#8217;m not sure). This meant Bible class (easy for me, as it was all we GOT at home), typical school subjects, and of course Chapel on Wednesdays. I was friends with a girl who lived down the block my age, and I remember one Wednesday going to her house after school. Her dad said she wasn&#8217;t home, but I could come in to wait and watch TV with him till she got there. He molested me. I will never forget that it happened on a Wednesday, because that&#8217;s why I was wearing a dress that day. I&#8217;m older and now more about perverts and I&#8217;m pretty sure he would have tried at some point anyway, but as a kid, I associated it with being a girl and wearing a dress. That went on for over a year, till I finally broke through the &#8220;don&#8217;t contradict your elders&#8221; teachings enough to tell my mom what was going on.</p>
<p>Being raised the way I was, I thought I was dirty, sinful, &#8220;impure&#8221; and above all, not a good woman. What man would want me? Also, I overheard the doctors (first I EVER saw was a freaking gynecologist doing a PAP smear on me at 8 to verify I had indeed been violated) telling my mother I would never bear children. This is all really painful to type, but I must get it out.</p>
<p>During this same time my older brother was getting into trouble with the law and at school. Mostly kid stuff, like shop lifting from the local 7-11, but also some kind of frightening things, like homemaking his own weapons. One day when I was in third grade a police officer came to my school to ask me questions about my family, because my brother had called child services to report we were being abused. I was so hurt that my willful, rebellious, sinful brother would dare make such accusations against our loving and godly grandmother! I still feel sick about not defending him. My family responded by shipping him across the country to go live with our stoner ex-Xtian dad.</p>
<p>Anyway, a few months after this my mom graduated with her doctorate and got a job very very out of state and we left. Now came public school, which I was totally unprepared for. Educationally I was actually ahead, but socially I was years behind. Imagine sending a five year old to fourth grade; essentially that&#8217;s where I was socially/emotionally. I got picked on and bullied terribly. I remember the girl with leg braces picking on me, since it moved her a notch up the social ladder (she&#8217;d been at the bottom till I came). It didn&#8217;t help that I had ingrained exceptionalism and elitism that belonging to a cult gives you, that totally out of proportion to reality arrogance and ignorance.</p>
<p>But I didn&#8217;t think I&#8217;d been raised in a cult, just in church. We still attended church up north, though oddly enough my mom, sister and I each went to our own. I went to a local Community Church, my sister went to youth group at a Methodist, and I believe my mom attended Presbyterian singles group. I liked the pastor at my church because he was gentle and none of his sermons were about hell. During the three years we lived out of state, we still came to live with my grandmother over the summers, so we could spend time with our cousins, etc. She was no longer physically abusive and was a lot more relaxed about things like food (I remember eating nothing but Pillsbury Strudels for over a month one summer) but still crazy restrictive on others, like &#8220;secular&#8221; music.</p>
<p>One summer, she had a two-week long tour in Australia, and my aunt was left in charge of us. There was an incident where she got nutty and decided that either my sister or I had stolen some of her French chocolate liquors (ew). So she locked us in my grandmother&#8217;s room with Bibles and assigned us to look up and write out passages about our sin. The truly hurtful, insane and FUCKED UP part was that she assigned us different sins &#8211; I was declared a &#8220;thief&#8221; and my sister a &#8220;glutton&#8221;. Now, if it was the same crime we were both accused of, stealing and eating nasty boozy chocolates neither of us wanted (and to this day, in talks with each other, both deny having done it &#8211; I believe her) wouldn&#8217;t we have gotten the same punishment? Just another example in a lifetime of screwy dogmatic child abuse.</p>
<p>A few years later we moved back to my home town for good. I started spending weekends at my grandmothers, and started working for her ministry. I would mail out her books and newsletters, type, file, etc. I also built the &#8220;ministry&#8217;s&#8221; first website and blog. I actually got a lot of really good skills and training from that work, but in retrospect wish I had not done anything to help advance her unhealthy message. I was really starting to believe the things she said, right down to where doctors did more harm than good and people shouldn&#8217;t expose their kids to those egotistical perverts. (She really hated being a nurse.)</p>
<p>Thank God for high school (ha!). I went to a school for the performing arts and was suddenly and joyously exposed to all those heathens I&#8217;d been warned about &#8211; people who openly practiced witchcraft, lesbians, actors, stoners, EVERYONE! It was glorious and wonderful. I had my first girlfriend, I found my first truly close friends. I had a little bit of breathing room, for a few hours a day, to be as weird as I wanted or needed to be. I think it&#8217;s what saved me from being completely racist, sexist, and anti-gay. My grandmother certainly put forth a concerted effort to indoctrinate those principles into me.</p>
<p>After that I was never a &#8220;good Xtian&#8221; again. I still went to church, meant it when I sang and worshipped, etc, but I had sex when I wanted, experimented liberally with drugs and alcohol, and listened to rock and punk and rap and just everything that had been denied for so long. It was my own stumbling renaissance.</p>
<p>At 17 my mom kicked me out of the house for stupid shit, so I moved in with my dad (whose sole purpose is apparently to be there when my mom gets sick of us, but I&#8217;m grateful to him for that at least). I messed around with ecstasy (yuck) and was consequently hospitalized for suicide attempts twice. Then I got alcohol poisoning. My dad&#8217;s girlfriend decided I was a liability who would have to go. In order to persuade my mom I was &#8220;worthy&#8221; of coming home, that I was truly &#8220;repentant&#8221; I had to go to a Christian cult detox FARM in Texas, where all the animals had biblical names (swear to mythological creature). It was insane. They were trying to cast demons out of me and after four days of this I finally just started faking convulsions to get them off my case. They also took my science fiction books from me, told me I was a whore because my belly button showed in some of my tops (it was AUGUST and where I&#8217;m from that means skimpy tops, sexuality aside), etc. But they did let me keep smoking cigarettes, oddly enough. Anyway, after a few weeks of that I got to move back in with my mother for a few months until I could afford my very own mobile home.</p>
<p>Flash forward a few years of this mildly uncomfortable double life (though really, only mildly) and you&#8217;ll find me pregnant by my loser alcoholic boyfriend. What does the family say I should do? Marry the jerk, of course! So I waddled down the aisle at seven months pregnant and promised &#8220;till death do I part&#8221; in front of an Anglican priest. That same priest just a few months later had the decency and good counsel to tell me I should consider a divorce; he saw what my family wouldn&#8217;t &#8211; he was a raging alcoholic and extremely emotionally abusive. So, less than three months into my marriage, with a broken ankle and a six-week old infant, I dipped.</p>
<p>I went back to my mom&#8217;s house. She wouldn&#8217;t help me pay for getting a cast, so I hobbled around without one, caring for my son as best I could. Only within the last few months have I seen how unloving that was &#8211; for her to watch me in deep physical pain every day, but do nothing. But then, she had experience with the matter. Between the ages of 14 and 18 I spent almost all my time with a dislocated hip. It could easily have been treated by a doctor, but instead I was forced to suffer godawful pain for a religious belief she no longer even really held. I think she had just decided I was &#8220;faking it&#8221; (like when I told her I was suicidal and she said I was being &#8220;dramatic&#8221; or when I told her I was bisexual and she told me it was a &#8220;phase&#8221;). I smoked a LOT of pot both as a teenager, and as a new mom, something I&#8217;m not very proud of, but the only way I knew of to deal with the physical and mental pain.</p>
<p>When my son turned two I went back to college. I fell in love with two subjects, American History and Middle East Studies. I was fascinated by the convoluted situation in Israel/Palestine and the role that religious extremism played in sustaining the conflict and hiccuping attempts at peace. During a class this Spring in American History from 1800-1850 we learned about America&#8217;s two &#8220;Great Awakening&#8221; spiritual revival movements, and the genesis of a lot of our homegrown cults: Jehovah&#8217;s Witness, Latter Day Saints/Mormons, and Seventh Day Adventists. We also read a fascinating book on the Oneida Utopia and it&#8217;s narcissistic-personality-</p>
<div id=":16" class="ArwC7c ckChnd">disorder poster boy, John Humphrey Noyes. While all my classmates were saying &#8220;What a load of bull! Who would fall for this crap?&#8221; and &#8220;This is weird! This is bat shit!&#8221; I kept thinking &#8220;Why does this remind me of my childhood? Why does this all seem so familiar?&#8221;</p>
<p>So, one night a few months ago, I Googled my grandmother&#8217;s name and the name of her ministry. Pages and pages of links came up, but the mostly fell into two categories: 1. Xtians and others refuting her teachings as dangerous and/or unbiblical, and 2. newspapers about cult deaths and medical negligence deaths, of people who had read my grandmother&#8217;s books. One story, for anyone interested in Googling it themselves, was about the Attleboro Cult. After reading my grandmothers book on home birth, this small &#8220;home church&#8221; group went round the bend and turned into a full blown cult. One of the female members told another woman that she and her 4-year old son should stop eating and only drink almond milk. The little boy slowly starved to death in a house full of food. I still can&#8217;t think about that kid without crying, and regretting all my complicity with the lies my grandmother spread so far and wide. (Though others with far more power are to blame also: she appeared on 700 Club and Pat Robinson, as well as Jim &amp; Tammy Faye&#8217;s PTL.)</p>
<p>Within a few hours of looking at link after horrifying link, I learned of people on four continents who had died following my grandmother&#8217;s reckless &#8220;spiritual&#8217; advice, including an Australian woman who died in childbirth and an African couple who refused to get HIV/AIDS treatment because they believed if they just &#8220;prayed and had faith&#8221; God would heal them. (He didn&#8217;t.)</p>
<p>That was by far the biggest blow to my spirituality I&#8217;ve ever faced. Coming to grips with the fact that I was raised in a cult, that my grandmother was a cult leader, that her wackiness didn&#8217;t just hurt me, but killed innocent children halfway around the world. I&#8217;m not exactly over it yet. I think a lot of years of therapy are in my future. But the word &#8220;cult&#8221; was helpful, because it gave me a place to start. I researched cult characteristics, watched &#8220;Sorry I knocked&#8221; videos on YouTube, donated to SilentLambs.org (for sexual abuse victims of Jehovah&#8217;s Witness&#8217; &#8220;pedophile&#8217;s paradise&#8221;), and protested against Scientology. I started to look at all these religions I could clearly see were crazy. I knew the stories of Joseph Smith and Edward Miller and Brigham Young and John Humphrey Noyes and L. Ron Hubbard. They all had a lot in common with each other, and with my grandmother. Deep personal dissatisfaction and insanity. Untreated depression, and I&#8217;d wager a lot of serotonin imbalance all around.</p>
<p>This led to a greater questioning of my own dormant religious faith (I&#8217;d kept my son out of church semi-instinctively; like not trusting myself to find a non-abusive boyfriend, I don&#8217;t trust myself to find a non-abusive church). Everyone on here has great sites they can link you to, but for my WhyWontGodHealAmputees.com did the trick. It confirmed what I was already beginning to believe (that God is imaginary) and gave me the push I needed to go ahead and let myself explore atheism further. I&#8217;m reading a wonderful book now &#8220;God is Not Good: How Religion Poisons Everything&#8221; and it&#8217;s just incredible. I watched &#8220;Jesus Camp&#8221; and I swear I want to go kidnap every one of those kids and put them in &#8220;normal&#8221; homes where they won&#8217;t be brainwashed into believing they are inherently sinful, evil, and wrong and that their natural desires prove they need a mythical hero to die and rise to save them from that same mythical God&#8217;s curses.</p>
<p>Atheism is like a life raft in an ocean of religious despair for me. I look at my son everyday now and I am so thankful that he won&#8217;t be subjected to the torturous childhood I had. I teach him to love himself, that his body is wonderful and his own, and that he should be proud of his accomplishments. I do not present fairy tales or mythology as truth to him and frankly, I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;ll tell him about Santa either. I don&#8217;t know. My son is very bright but delayed in expressive and receptive language. In a lot of ways, I feel really blessed about this. He is catching up fine, but it gives me extra time to just *enjoy* him for who he is, and not for what he says or how he performs. We love each other so much. And I would never, ever, ever worship a God that would condemn him for hell for dying too young, for refusing to kneel before a tyrant, or for possibly being gay (who knows, he&#8217;s 2). i don&#8217;t yet get the great &#8220;Why?&#8221; questions or the screaming &#8220;No!&#8221; fights either; instead I see a child who does not question the nature of good and evil, of his own &#8220;immortal soul&#8221; or heaven and hell. He lives in the here and now, and that gives me great inspiration for how I can live my own life happier than it has been so far.</p>
<p>Thank you for this forum, and for letting me ramble on so long. Tears are streaming because I feel so glad to get this all out. Oddly enough, i do still love my grandmother. I&#8217;ll never leave her alone with any child, but I forgive her for what she did to me. She is on antidepressants for the first time in her life, and has become a different person. I see now how much of her insanity was truly just that, chemical imbalance that is behind most insanity. What she did to me was awful and it will probably take me a long time to move completely beyond it, but I have the rest of my life to myself, with no God horning in on my happiness.</p>
<p>And to all the Xtian trolls &#8211; I *know* my Bible, so don&#8217;t tell me to read it. I won a Bible Bowl trivia contest against kids twice my age when I was 7. It&#8217;s not that I don&#8217;t know it, it&#8217;s that I don&#8217;t believe it. I&#8217;ll let other members explain to you why it is so improbable; this story was personal and not theological. Again, to the webmaster and other ex-xtian members, thank you for letting me get this off my chest.</p></div>
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		<description><![CDATA[(Via Caleb T.) I was raised by hyper religious parents, and I went to a private Christian school for the first decade of my education. Quite literally everyone I spoke to, every friend I had, and every adult-figure in my life was a fundamentalist Christian. The thought of atheism was to my young mind silly, [...]]]></description>
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<p>I was raised by hyper religious parents, and I went to a private Christian school for the first decade of my education. Quite literally everyone I spoke to, every friend I had, and every adult-figure in my life was a fundamentalist Christian. The thought of atheism was to my young mind silly, though I felt sorry for all the people for their future stint in hell.</p>
<p>At the age of seventeen, I began to question things. I am bisexual, and it was at that age that I began to realize this fact about myself. For the first time I picked up a Bible and read it completely &#8211; from Genesis to Revelations, and for the first time I began to realize how barbaric and silly most of it was. It was at this point I became a deist. (I did not as of yet have the courage to reject God completely.)</p>
<p>I quickly graduated to an agnostic, and then more slowly developed into the militant atheist I am today. I still find myself mumbling prayers to myself, and I still have a bit of a fear of hellfire. These things are still so ingrained in me due to my conscription (I &#8216;accepted&#8217; Christ at the age of 6) that it disgusts me, but over the years I am slowly healing, and slowly overcoming faith.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[(Via Kathleen) I grew up in the northeastern U.S. and my parents converted to a fundamentalist sect of Christianity when I was about five. Heavily indoctrinated from an early age, I thought I too was saved and heaven bound. I was so intense as a young child that I proudly became the youngest child to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Via Kathleen)</p>
<p>I grew up in the northeastern U.S. and my parents converted to a fundamentalist sect of Christianity when I was about five. Heavily indoctrinated from an early age, I thought I too was saved and heaven bound. I was so intense as a young child that I proudly became the youngest child to be Baptized in my church, at the age of 7. It wasn&#8217;t easy to convince the pastor that I understood the Christian teachings and wanted to demonstrate my public admission of faith by Baptism.</p>
<p>As I grew into a teen, I remained faithful but not as involved with my beliefs. Still, at the insistence of my parents, I spent my Sundays in church from early morning to late evening. It became quite a burden to a teen that had discovered more interesting things in the secular world. Despite this, I maintained my strong beliefs throughout my teen years.</p>
<p>When it was time to think about college, I was given the choice of attending one of several conservative Christian colleges. I don&#8217;t remember why I chose Gordon College in <span id="SPELLING_ERROR_0" class="blsp-spelling-error">Wenham</span>, Ma. but it was during those early days in school that I suddenly realized my childhood religion was not only disturbing but quite a fantastic stretch of reality. Oddly enough being indoctrinated constantly helped me see how incredible the Christian claims were when compared to the lack of evidence. I left college after a brief illness during the second semester an ultra liberal Christian with agnostic leanings. The truth is after losing my faith, I could barely stand being in an atmosphere that stifled <span id="SPELLING_ERROR_1" class="blsp-spelling-error">freethought</span>.</p>
<p>During the next decade, I returned to school, survived a nine year unhappy marriage, gave birth to my only son and eventually became a professional registered nurse. I continued to seek and investigate religion with the attitude that my search would lead me to the truth. I was an agnostic  with theistic leanings during this time. One day when I was about 28, I had what can only be described as a moment of enlightenment. I suddenly realized that my search for God had been in vain as there is nothing supernatural about the universe. I felt both relief and peace. That was thirty years ago and I continue to live a happy god free life.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always been very open and usually pleasant about my atheism at work and among theistic friends. I have no desire to convert or debate as I believe it&#8217;s best to allow and encourage people to investigate truth for themselves, while answering questions honestly. I am currently enjoying 28 years of a happy marriage to a fellow atheist and am involved in several organized atheist groups. These groups have helped me feel far less isolated living in the heart of  southern U.S. In fact, I often forget that I live in a place heavily populated by the same type of people that I knew at my childhood church.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t regret my childhood experiences. They have only made me stronger and more perhaps more tolerant towards those that still believe. I&#8217;ve tried the aggressive atheist persona but it&#8217;s not who I am. I&#8217;m much happier and effective as the tolerant atheist who tries to be an example of how morally positive and satisfying life can be without religion.</p>
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		<title>Cris&#8217; Story</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[(Via Cris) Unlike most of the stories I&#8217;ve read through here, I actually enjoyed going to church. I was brought up since I was a baby in church. God existed. I went up to the alter to get saved during vacation Bible school at about the age of 9-10. I was baptized in an Assembly [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Via Cris)</p>
<p>Unlike most of the stories I&#8217;ve read through here, I actually enjoyed going to church. I was brought up since I was a  baby in church. God existed.</p>
<p>I went up to the alter to get saved during vacation Bible school at about the age of 9-10. I was baptized in an Assembly of God church at about 11-12. The 3-4 years I  spent in this church represents my most &#8220;holy roller&#8221; period.</p>
<p>The Assembly  of God church is one of the pentecostal &#8220;singing in tongues/dancing around/getting slain in the spirit kinds of churches. I can look  back and see that my &#8220;evidences&#8221; for belief came from the psychological effects  of the emotionalism in the services. We had a full band with electric guitars  and drums, singers and sweaty crying preachers, we didn&#8217;t bother with singing out  of old fuddy duddy hymnals, we  sang short &#8220;praise songs&#8221; with endlessly repeating choruses. In short: We were mesmerized by the rhythms and emotional appeals and that created at minimum, a meditative effect of euphoria, to at worst- virtual hysteria. To a bunch of good, god-fearing folks, these emotional effects were evidence of God&#8217;s spirit being around us.</p>
<p>Everything  that entered my senses was processed through the Christianity filter. If  something didn&#8217;t fit the system, then the old catch-all phrase &#8220;God works in mysterious ways&#8221; was applied and the offending bit was shuffled away to the back of my mind.</p>
<p>The only doubts I can remember during my youth were basically:</p>
<ol>
<li>Why are there other religions?</li>
<li>Why do good people that are not Christian have to go to hell?</li>
<li>How does one know beyond a doubt that they got saved the &#8220;right way&#8221;?</li>
<li>Is there any way to loose salvation?</li>
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<p>Now I also had a problem in that God simply never answered any of my prayers. I might have &#8220;felt better&#8221; or &#8220;had a feeling&#8221; or something like that but I never ever received an undeniable reply from a source beyond me. I do not include this in my doubts above because I thought this was <span style="font-style: italic;">my fault</span> until I lost belief completely.</p>
<p>As for the contradictions in the Bible and theology- I could not see them. I literally had no idea that there were problems in the Bible. I was a &#8220;Cherry Picker&#8221; when it came to reading the Bible, I liked the New Testament in general for the happy lovey dovey parts and disliked the Old Testament because of the &#8220;begats&#8221; and wars and general harshness.</p>
<p>So fast forward a bit, after I left the AoG church, the strength of the emotional hold it had on me slowly faded. I moved to another state to live with my Mom. My Mom  formulated her religious ideas through various ideologies and ideas she passed through or studied in the 1960&#8242;s, and finally decided on her &#8220;own view&#8221; rather than attending or associating with any certain religion or church. This was a big difference for me as I had grown up in a completely Christian environment up till this time. I had access to her books on various religions and philosophy and this was literally the first time in my life when I had an opportunity to learn these things.</p>
<p>We went to church a handful of times but it was like experimenting, we went to Primitive Baptist churches mostly (the exact opposite of a pentecostal church including no musical instruments, old fashioned pews and shape-note singing).</p>
<p>Although most atheists will look at leaving one church or religion and jumping into another as pointless and silly, It had a good effect on me: I became more and more open to different ideas and philosophies and became less and less a fundamentalist to the point where my religion was worn down to practically nothing except for a vague belief in Christianity and God.</p>
<p>At this point I left religion and church completely and started playing in rock bands and trying drugs,etc. I &#8220;knew&#8221; I was a &#8220;back-slider&#8221; but I just didn&#8217;t want to think about it anymore. I looked back at the old days and remembered all the great times in church back at my AoG church, but I also remembered how I came off that high during the week and I would end up miserably praying over and over and over (almost constantly at times)  for God&#8217;s help. I also remembered how depressed I would get on a regular basis and it always seemed to have something to do with religion or belief- So I simply turned that part of my life off for the next 10-15 years.</p>
<p>To wrap this up, about 2 years ago I was fooling around on the internet, looking for interesting things to read to pass some time, when by chance it popped into my head to search for the phrase &#8220;preacher turned atheist&#8221;.</p>
<p>One of the first results that came back was the <a href="http://ffrf.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_BLANK">Freedom From Religion site</a>, in particular the story of Dan Barker. I started a little guiltily reading some of the excerpts from his book on the site and there was a feeling of excitement that started building in me:<br />
This guy not only asked the same questions I always had, but actually searched for the answers and found them. I had put religion on hold because my mind could not take it anymore, but it took the rise of the internet and the ability to study anything I wanted to know before I could actually give my mind some hard evidence and facts to smash all the wishy washy contradictory and confusing beliefs that had been unchallenged defaults since childhood.</p>
<p>Over a period of about 2-3 months I studied religions, philosophy, I went on Christian/atheist discussion forums and learned. My mind was like a vacuum , I could not get enough. So here it is two years later and I look back and realize that my problem with depressive episodes disappeared with religion. This is something &#8220;God&#8221; could never fix. Apparently &#8220;God&#8221; may have been the problem all along&#8230;</p>
<p>So here I am a non-believer, I&#8217;ve been pretty open with my Mom and a few close friends but pretty much anyone else has no idea of my &#8220;defection&#8221; I still go to church a few Sundays a month! (am I insane?) no, I just happen to like some of the people, I play in the church band, the pot-luck dinners. I will eventually stop going, but baby steps aye?</p>
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