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		<title>Walks About Like a Lion</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There's nothing like a little religiousity to get the blood flowing, as many former religionists know. I came from the Xian tradition coupled with an ample seasoning of humanism.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Via James Dean)</p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing like a little religiousity to get the blood flowing, as many former religionists know. I came from the Xian tradition coupled with an ample seasoning of humanism. (My bet is that my mom is as close as one can come to being a free thinker as possible but still be vaguely literalist in the cross bit.) BUT DON&#8217;T BE CONFUSED: I am a proud agnostic-atheist because agnosticism is only logical and atheism is the general default that follows most readily from that.</p>
<p>I once thought Jesus would have nothing to do with me, based on my popularity. I once thought he was really interested in my letting go of a little pent up tension -one way or the next, to people&#8217;s help and not their hurt. I once thought God should alternately be spelled in lower case and upper case letters and Jesse should be substituted for Jesus every here and there -so we could see the meanings of the passages beyond language. I once thought I might one day see a limb regrown. And now &#8230; enough is enough.</p>
<p>If people want to be foolish, they should do it while living their own lives -not a prescribed version -but this, only if they&#8217;re intelligent enough. And yes, that&#8217;s inflammatory. And yes, that&#8217;s okay. And no, you can&#8217;t count on a government to do it for you. And yes, we should all stop them from trying.</p>
<p>The facts are these, in short: Grew up all my life in a Christian home with over zealous father; comes from some real psychological absurdity he couldn&#8217;t have helped -and maybe, no one else could: chemical &amp;/ trauma-induced imbalance in grandmother. My mother grew up with a father that turned alcoholic, abusively, and womanizingly so, too, and she was left to raise her three brothers in this same home most of her younger years -she somehow sustained some wonderful humanism through it all. My grandfather, on my dad&#8217;s side, certainly had his problems, but he was always a skeptic, and educator, even if a believer underneath it all -my dad went more fundamentalist on his own or with some help from the older women in his life -his mom and his grandmother who lived with them. (They, his mom &amp; his grandmom, were also into spiritualism.)</p>
<p>I swooned under the influence of paranormal research, meditative apathy, prayers to a transcendent I-never-could tell-quite-what and three counts of full blown depression (the last two for which I took meds): after several Psychology courses, two Dale Carnegie books, Penn &amp; Teller -especially, Season 3 (which I got from my grandparents -dad&#8217;s side- three christmases ago), Michael Shermer in his debate on God/Atheism (militant agnosticism!), and Guy P. Harrison&#8217;s (Prometheus publishes it) 50 reasons people give for believing in a god, and Bernard M. Patten&#8217;s book Truth, Knowledge, Or Just Plain Bull: How To Tell The Difference -these sources really helped, as did a little reflection and appreciation of the glibly persuasive account of god given by Douglas Adams on evolution/god -it&#8217;s maybe 5 minutes long, yet better than several books on the subject.</p>
<p>Somehow, I clawed my way to skepticism, secular humanism, and philosophical pursuits. It didn&#8217;t hurt that a personality test placed me in a group of real heady thinkers when I was 20. The Tao Te Ching, read largely in a philosophical context several times over a dozen years, really helped me break free of much of the indoctrination before I learned logic, took a couple introductory literature courses, and began to read the Skeptical Inquirer (their FB stuff is quite good, too).</p>
<p>I guess, I made my own extended therapy through literature, philosophy, logic, life&#8217;s disappointments and wonderments, and yes, even the Four Horsemen -though I want to see what is better put and more vigorous and erudite than anything they have to say about atheism.</p>
<p>Screw communism and screw capitalism -and no, I&#8217;m not so sure about any -ism, -ian, -ish, or substitute for thinking -or feeling, for that matter. But let them play their part if they accept that they don&#8217;t want to stand between those who embrace life and those who won&#8217;t get in it&#8217;s way, either.</p>
<p>Power to the people.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m 31 and still have some libido religion couldn&#8217;t snatch away from me. Praise whatever you call-it! -I&#8217;m celebrating it/me.</p>
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		<title>The anticlimactic &#8216;coming out&#8217;</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 22:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, over the last couple of weeks I've been making a serious effort to 'come out' as an atheist. Granted, my status on myspace and whatnot has said 'atheist' for 'religion' for years now (prior to that I was agnostic, so there was absolutely no response to that change.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Via Pete Rosenberg)</p>
<p>Well, over the last couple of weeks I&#8217;ve been making a serious effort to &#8216;come out&#8217; as an atheist. Granted, my status on myspace and whatnot has said &#8216;atheist&#8217; for &#8216;religion&#8217; for years now (prior to that I was agnostic, so there was absolutely no response to that change.)  But back to the present (or at least recent past) when I told my mother (A Universalist Unitarian) she was unsurprised and mentioned that many of the people at her congregation (I hesitate to call it a &#8216;church&#8217;, because of the negative connotation that bears) were also atheist. Again, no drama, no negativity. When I mentioned it to my father, (a retired Navy Captain) I did so by saying &#8220;I think my own atheism stems from my childhood appreciation of nature, all the outings, and the David Attenborough documentaries that I loved so much.&#8221; His response was &#8220;I like the documentaries too. I wouldn&#8217;t say I loved them, but I definitely enjoyed them.&#8221; I should perhaps, mention that my father, although a successful navy officer of 30 years, was known to be somewhat of a loose cannon, even going so far as to tell the captain of his ship (when he was XO) that the ship was &#8216;godless&#8217;, and when I asked him whether he was indeed Atheist, (because of his intense dislike of Christianity) he said no, he&#8217;s more of an Agnostic. Either way, he has the same dim view of organized religion as do I, and he seemed quite cheerful for the rest of that conversation (which I take to mean that he approves.) The only negative responses I&#8217;ve gotten (aside from some random fundamentalist on Tagged who got pissed when I responded to her &#8216;Jesus saves&#8217; tags with a quote by Thomas Jefferson on how Christianity was the most perverted system.) were from my GF and her daughter. My GF (a Wiccan) was just annoyed because I&#8217;ve been very noisy about the whole affair, and she does, after all believe in a supreme being, the afterlife and magic, and I embrace the concept of ultimate mortality and reject the supernatural, and was kinda going on about that. The daughter was just annoyed because I&#8217;ve been noisy and I&#8217;m dating her mom. Which brings me to the ultimate reason that I&#8217;ve gotten very little in the way of response: I don&#8217;t have christian friends. (except maybe my sister) Most of my friends are Wiccan, and really don&#8217;t care that I don&#8217;t share their faith, as long as I don&#8217;t try to preach lack of faith to them. Of the rest of my friends and family, well, my best friend is Buddhist, and again, doesn&#8217;t really care, my youngest sister is agnostic, and the older of my sisters, (still younger than me) while nominally still christian, (she became so while dating a fundamentalist christian in high school) hasn&#8217;t been to church in years, and with the lack of a support structure (and in the light of her own substantial intelligence, and the sceptical view of the rest of us), her faith has withered. She never, however, was dogmatic (My father would&#8217;ve responded pretty harshly to that) and was in a much better position to understand what an atheist or agnostic REALLY is.</p>
<p>Anyways, that&#8217;s my story.  I guess I kinda drifted away from it. Anyways, now I&#8217;m gonna go order some shirts and hats and wear them around town (including to the local walmart) and see what happens. It&#8217;ll be an adventure, &#8217;cause I live in Pahrump, NV (a particularly odious little hick-town).</p>
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		<title>Out of God&#8217;s Closet</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On Mothers Day, 1967, my eight siblings and I circled the huge table at Mom's place. No one there knew my hypocrisy when I, the family priest, blessed that heavy table as requested. No one yet knew my secret.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Via <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.outofgodscloset.com" target="_blank">Stephen F. Uhl, Ph.D.</a>)</p>
<p>On Mothers Day, 1967, my eight siblings and I circled the huge table at Mom&#8217;s place. No one there knew my hypocrisy when I, the family priest, blessed that heavy table as requested. No one yet knew my secret.</p>
<p>Mom had given me a very early priestly vocation. My oldest brother would run the family farm, and I would be the family priest. Period.</p>
<p>Twelve years of seminary and almost nine years of priesthood went swimmingly&#8211;until one fateful morning in meditation I saw how St. Thomas Aquinas&#8217; &#8220;causality proof&#8221; failed. He concluded: &#8216;Since an infinite regression of secondary causes is impossible, there must be an uncaused First Cause, God.&#8217;</p>
<p>Seeing how gratuitous his assumption was, my faith began to waver.</p>
<p>My agnosticism then grew during two challenging years. Debating if I should leave the priesthood, I feared I might be kidding myself when admitting I was agnostic; childhood imprintings die very hard! However, my totally desperate but conditional prayer when facing an unavoidable high-speed head-on collision convinced me I didn&#8217;t really believe. While recuperating from that October accident, I headed for a responsible June exit.</p>
<p>I had fully intended to break the news at our Mothers Day gathering, but I just could not bring myself to shatter that day&#8217;s joy. Next day, in the privacy of Mom&#8217;s kitchen, I forced myself to tell her. What a shock! But she painfully accepted what she could not change. Later that week when I was leaving, she was carrying bed clothes from her storage to my car; laughing through her tears, she said &#8220;I thought I was finished setting my kids up in housekeeping.&#8221;</p>
<p>That same week I told my siblings. Their reactions ranged from completely sympathetic understanding to shocked disbelief. My youngest brother asked, “How can you be a good, moral man if you don&#8217;t believe in God or the Church?&#8221; My answer was, and is, simple: &#8216;I follow my highest power, my reason, my conscience; this leads to the Golden Rule and keeps me true to my self and those around me.&#8217;</p>
<p>During two years teaching public school mathematics, I married a fellow teacher. Now I could afford to get the doctorate in psychology.</p>
<p>My psychology practice thrived; I enjoyed helping clients shuck guilt based on outdated beliefs and childhood superstitions. I enjoyed teaching the practical morality of a modified Golden Rule that the way to be happy is to help make others so without destroying oneself. Living this Golden Rule made me a better psychologist, contributed to a great marriage of almost 40 years, and produced outstanding neighbor relationships.</p>
<p>Discovery of cancer scared me; I promptly started an intimate family letter. Learning my cancer was not aggressive, I expanded that letter into the book, Out of God&#8217;s Closet: This Priest Psychologist Chooses Friendly Atheism. The book shares my exciting journey and shows readers how this natural life becomes a reasoned, responsible thrill outside of God&#8217;s musty closet.</p>
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		<title>Nothing earth-shattering</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don't remember the exact moment I became an atheist (I think it was more of a slow draining away, but I remember why.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Via Jason)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t remember the exact moment I became an atheist (I think it was more of a slow draining away, but I remember why.</p>
<p>I was raised Catholic, spend a couple of years as an agnostic, and then became a born-again christian my second or third year of high school.  I was desperately wanting to belong to something, and they found me first.  *laughs*</p>
<p>Mostly as a result of attending this particular christian missionary alliance church, the idea of a christian god just stopped making sense to me.  My mind could no longer accept the idea of an all-powerful god who allowed the type of suffering I saw in the world; around this time, I think I saw a story of a five-year-old boy who was raped and murdered, as that is the specific example I quoted the most relating to my new found non-acceptance.</p>
<p>I spent a short while believing in the idea of a &#8220;watchmaker god&#8221;, then &#8211; finally &#8211; logic took over and I just decided not to spend time thinking about something that was a non-topic, as it could never be proved or disproved.  I had recently started working at a Children&#8217;s Science Center, and fell in love with the idea of science and the natural world.  I realized real science was so much more amazing than anything any human could dream up.</p>
<p>On a side note, for some reason I held on to other supernatural beliefs for a wee bit after becoming an atheist; after working at the science center for a while, all of the fell away as well.  I am now a full-fledged, proud skeptic.</p>
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		<title>Surrounded By Christians</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[(Via Tom) I don&#8217;t know exactly how to start this story off. I guess i should start off by saying I was home schooled as a child. I only went to a (Christian) private preschool and kindergarten (if that even counts) so of course I was taught nothing but creationism and a biblical world view [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Via Tom)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know exactly how to start this story off. I guess i should start off by saying I was home schooled as a child. I only went to a (Christian) private preschool and kindergarten (if that even counts) so of course I was taught nothing but creationism and a biblical world view from an early age.</p>
<p>I remember once wondering why people believed in evolution so i asked my Mom if we could perhaps study it. She gave me a dirty look and told me i would have to learn about it on my own.</p>
<p>My only social life consisted of church/youth group up until about the age of about 14ish. It was around that time that i started to get in touch with some friends That used to attend a Home School group with me at a young age. (I will call them Bill and Ted) Me Bill and Ted started to get heavily involved with hardcore and punk music. As i grew up with these friends, they always held their faith strongly as did I. We still went to church and youth group but i started to get more of a social life outside of that by going to shows and making friends there and such. I can&#8217;t say exactly when it was that I started questioning what I so blindly believed. I must of been about 16 when I started listening to a punk band by the name of Bad Religion and saw a movie by the name of Zeitgeist. Both those things motivated me to do more research on atheism. After reading many books that tried to prove Christianity and many books about atheism i came to the conclusion that i was an agnostic. No doubt.</p>
<p>I never straight up told Bill or Ted but had brought the subject up quite a bit and dropped many hints until after awhile they finally caught on to the fact that I didn&#8217;t believe in God 100%. For awhile it was not that big of a deal, We had debates but we still coexisted very well. Slowly but surely that all changed. We started hanging out with alot of people and in a country where about 90% believe in God or a higher power they just so happened to as well. As did most everyone i knew. I remember one time when i was at a church with about 5 of my friends we were all outside eating some food and one of my friends (Who shall remain nameless) Said to me&#8230;&#8221;Hey man can i be straight with you for a second?&#8221; Me: &#8220;Sure.&#8221; Him: &#8220;Alright&#8230;can you get your head out of your ass and just believe already? We all know HES real&#8221; I was just quite hoping he would shut up but then Ted decided to add on to that comment by saying &#8220;Yeah I&#8217;m sick of this atheist/agnostic bull shit&#8221; (yes they cuss.) I still just stayed quite and they all laughed and put in their own harsh comments. Due to the fact that i wasn&#8217;t saying anything Bill decided to mimic what he thought i would say in a very sarcastic voice. &#8220;Whhy are you guys making fun of me?? I can believe what i want.&#8221; I know that all might sound kinda over exaggerated but i promise you it was all word for word.</p>
<p>As time went on i finally realized i was an Atheist for sure. I remember the night i told Ted i was an atheist he just said &#8220;well that&#8217;s depressing&#8221; I agreed to an extent due to the fact that all my close friends and family believe in God. I sometimes feel like the only one of my kind. I&#8217;m no more than a casual acquaintance with very few non-believers. Bill and Ted both slowly started taking me less seriously as a person. When ever my opinion would come up on any subject they would just make fun of it or belittle it. They always call me politically correct as an insult because i take a strong stance against Sexism, Homophobia, And racism. I don&#8217;t use the terms &#8220;Nigger&#8221;, &#8220;Fag&#8221; or &#8220;hot babe&#8221; and they make fun of me for that all the time. Another close friend of ours always goes out of his way to use those words just to try to get a reaction out of me. But i just don&#8217;t care anymore. I am now 17 (18 in 2 months) and its at the point where i can&#8217;t even bring up any issue that i find to be important because they just won&#8217;t listen.</p>
<p>You may be thinking to yourself&#8230;&#8221;Why doesn&#8217;t this kid just get new friends?&#8221;<br />
Well its just not that simple. I have known these people for years and have built up a tight friendship with them. Even though i have told you about the bad we have had some pretty damn good times together. Forming a bond like that with other people takes time and is not as easy as it sounds. Although if i met the right people I would honestly leave them in a heart beat.</p>
<p>My family is a somewhat different story. I have 4 siblings and my youngest and oldest brothers are the only ones that know I&#8217;m a non-believer. When i told my older brother he didn&#8217;t care and said he has been an Agnostic for awhile now. I wasn&#8217;t that shocked but then he said (jokingly) if i told anyone he would kill me. He pretty much pretends to be a Christan. I guess its just not a big of a deal to most people as it is to me. I think my parents kind of know but probably deny it to themselves. They have seen The God Delusion laying around my room, I don&#8217;t go to church, they probably hear the negative comments i make about religion, but honestly i could give two craps if my rents found out or not. I hate them. They are awful people who don&#8217;t even deserve the right to be called &#8220;parents&#8221;. I&#8217;m not gonna go into to detail why they are such failures because that&#8217;s not what this story is about.</p>
<p>Even after reading this no one will fully understand my situation because I have left many things out and no one else has my outlook on life nor can they see things from my perspective. I have many other crazy stories that I just don&#8217;t wish to share. Typing this all out and reading other stories has been very therapeutic for me though.</p>
<p>I have been to The Creation Museum, I have read The Bible more than once, I have given my life to Christ multiple times, I don&#8217;t believe in the god of the bible! Nor any gods for that matter.</p>
<p>THE END.</p>
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		<title>Two Two Two for one!</title>
		<link>http://comingoutgodless.com/2009/08/03/two-two-two-for-one/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 16:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(Via Andy Barnes) I&#8217;m certain I was the only child in my rural, Midwestern community who was raised by an agnostic mother and a vitriolic Atheist father. To further complicate my story, and my life in Bargersville, IN (which, 25 years ago wasn&#8217;t the bustling metropolis it is today!), I decided in the first grade [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Via Andy Barnes)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m certain I was the only child in my rural, Midwestern community who was raised by an agnostic mother and a vitriolic Atheist father.  To further complicate my story, and my life in Bargersville, IN (which, 25 years ago wasn&#8217;t the bustling metropolis it is today!), I decided in the first grade that I was ethically opposed to eating meat.  My Atheism coming out story is really a result of my Vegetarianism coming out story.</p>
<p>An all-day class field trip in the second grade was scheduled to have lunch at McDonald&#8217;s.  Most of the class was very excited about this prospect, but as I no longer ate at McDonald&#8217;s, I asked the teacher if other arrangements could be made for my meal.  The teacher informed me that I was too young to have formed such an opinion, and told me I could eat with the rest of the class.  Later, another student scolded me for not eating meat, because &#8220;God put cows on the Earth for us to eat.&#8221;  Naively, I responded that I didn&#8217;t believe in any gods.  Her eyes grew to the size of silver dollars, and she didn&#8217;t talk to me much after that, but other students often asked me why I was a Satanist.  I didn&#8217;t really know what that meant, but I knew, even at age 7 or 8, that I was being ostracized for my (lack of) beliefs.</p>
<p>To this day, I very seldom speak of either my Vegetarianism or my Atheism (I still live in Indiana, afterall).  I don&#8217;t really feel the need to &#8216;come out&#8217; Atheist &#8211; it&#8217;s hardly a secret, and I don&#8217;t think of it as being any great rebellion &#8211;  but I like to share my story with like-minded people.</p>
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		<title>Kelsey&#8217;s Story</title>
		<link>http://comingoutgodless.com/2009/05/10/kelseys-story/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 02:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(Via Kelsey Graham) i have been an atheist since i was maybe twelve. before that, my incredibly christian relatives insisted upon forcing me into religion. most of my life until the age of twelve, though, i was an agnostic trying to figure out why i was supposed to believe in god. after coming godless, i [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Via Kelsey Graham)</p>
<p>i have been an atheist since i was maybe twelve. before that, my incredibly christian relatives insisted upon forcing me into religion. most of my life until the age of twelve, though, i was an agnostic trying to figure out why i was supposed to believe in god. after coming godless, i had several other religious attempts with different variations to see if they were any different than christianity. they were, but not quite enough for my taste. now, i am a proud atheist and refusing to change. faith just never worked for me.</p>
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		<title>Why I&#8217;m a Humanist</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(Via Abi) Before I start rambling, if you want to know what Humanism is all about&#8230;. I thought I&#8217;d write about my reasons for being Humanistic&#8230; I had an odd and sort of fractured childhood, but when I was very little I remember my parents were evangelistic Christians, or whatever the correct term is&#8230;. I [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Via <a href="http://imabi.blogspot.com/2008/12/me-logical-are-you-sure.html" rel="nofollow" target="blank">Abi</a>)</p>
<p>Before I start rambling, if you want to know what <a href="http://www.humanism.org/" target="blank">Humanism</a> is all about&#8230;.</p>
<p>I thought I&#8217;d write about my reasons for being Humanistic&#8230;</p>
<p>I had an odd and sort of fractured childhood, but when I was very little I remember my parents were evangelistic Christians, or whatever the correct term is&#8230;. I didn&#8217;t often get to go to their church &#8211; it was an odd, small 70&#8242;s box of a building, and inside there were &#8216;new age&#8217; Christians in white robes, who would push you over with the power of Christ (or rather, their hand) it scared me really, and the way my parents talked about God made me feel uncomfortable, because I had little seeds of doubt right from the start&#8230;</p>
<p>Later on, after we moved house, my parents tried the local (more um, normal) church, and disliked it, so they seemed to forget about Christianity, and never really mentioned it again. Sunday turned into a day which was spent lounging round the house drinking wine until Mum saw double&#8230;.</p>
<p>When I met Tony (my husband) I hadn&#8217;t really thought about God all that much, I think it&#8217;s much easier in the UK to just avoid religion, as it doesn&#8217;t seem as culturally important here as in the US and other countries&#8230; but when you get into a proper relationship, you discuss everything don&#8217;t you, so naturally, eventually it came up&#8230;. I thought of myself at that time as an Agnostic, I was sitting on the fence, not really caring about making my mind up. Tony on the other hand is a supremely logical creature (or at least thinks he is, but it&#8217;s just &#8216;man&#8217; logic, and therefore incorrect most of the time <img src='http://comingoutgodless.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) I found myself agreeing with a lot of the things he said &#8211; that there is no proof of a higher power, there never has been proof, that a lot of things in the bible are impossible (the lack of evolution, the whole nativity story etc etc) and over the next few months I decided to become an atheist&#8230;</p>
<p>There were a few things that troubled me about being an atheist &#8211; for a start when I said &#8216;I&#8217;m an atheist&#8217; I felt it was a sort of negative statement&#8230; I was in effect saying &#8216;I don&#8217;t believe in God&#8217; which can be easily twisted into &#8216;I don&#8217;t believe in much of anything&#8217;&#8230;. also faith is important to me. How can you be an atheist but value faith? Well, I started by attempting to have faith in myself, I believe in myself. I have lost that belief from time to time, sometimes for long periods, but it always returns&#8230;. I have faith in my ability to be a good person, a person of worth, a loving, caring human. But that was just not quite enough, it was a very closed bubble of faith, and it didn&#8217;t feel quite comfortable&#8230;.</p>
<p>So I started to expand my bubble&#8230;. I didn&#8217;t just believe in myself, I didn&#8217;t just have faith in myself&#8230; I had faith in Tony, my children, people close to me&#8230;. then I realised after a while that I have faith in humanity. It dawned on me that I have an integral faith in human beings and humanity as a whole. Humanity may go astray from time to time, have it&#8217;s bad apples and bad moments but intrinsically I feel that humanity has this amazing capacity for caring, and love&#8230;. and I have faith in that, a very strong faith. I also believe that each person, no matter how much they have strayed, no matter what they may have thought or done, can find the happiness, the caring and the love inside themselves, if they are willing. Some people may need a lifetime of professional care, but I think a glimmer of that &#8216;goodness&#8217; will shine through. I have faith in people.</p>
<p>It took a while for me to realise that this was Humanism&#8230; or at least my own form of Humanism. My mother in law Phyllis has recently started talking to me about her Humanistic beliefs, and the Liverpool group she is thinking of joining&#8230;.. rather than converting me she helped me to realise that this was what I had been believing in all along. I&#8217;m looking forward to having people to share it with.</p>
<p>My beliefs may seem very naive, and I find the problem I have with expressing them to others is that the age card gets pulled a lot&#8230;. a few people have laughed off my beliefs and told me that when I have &#8216;lived a little&#8217; I will lose my faith in people&#8230;.. I would offer those people the chance to walk in my childhood shoes, in which I met a few people who did evil things&#8230;. and then see if they would tell me the same thing. I believe that people who do evil things still have the capacity for good &#8211; it&#8217;s not God given, it is residing somewhere deep within themselves.</p>
<p>Anyway I should shut up, Come All Ye Faithful has just come onto Classic Fm and I feel suitably sinful <img src='http://comingoutgodless.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  <img src='http://comingoutgodless.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Still in hiding</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 23:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(Via Kourtney) I&#8217;m agnostic. I have been for the pasted 5 years. I never told my mom until she found it on my MySpace page. She confronted me about it and I confirmed it. My dad is clueless though but I have no doubt my mom told him.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Via Kourtney)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m agnostic. I have been for the pasted 5 years. I never told my mom until she found it on my MySpace page. She confronted me about it  and I confirmed it. My dad is clueless though but I have no doubt my mom told him.</p>
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		<title>Fair warning to &#8220;unequally yoked&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://comingoutgodless.com/2008/09/01/fair-warning-to-unequally-yoked/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 22:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(Via Inversionmaster) My story is probably not that interesting (until the more recent stuff) since I was never a believer. I vaguely recall kindergarten Sunday school and having doubts about the creation story. My family attended church off and on, due to my mother&#8217;s prodding. Mom might be considered Christian-lite and my dad is probably [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Via Inversionmaster)</p>
<p>My story is probably not that interesting (until the more recent stuff) since I was never a believer. I vaguely recall kindergarten Sunday school and having doubts about the creation story. My family attended church off and on, due to my mother&#8217;s prodding. Mom might be considered Christian-lite and my dad is probably a weak agnostic. As a boy, I recall going to weekend cub scout event but if you didn&#8217;t attend the really wishy-washy church service you had to help in the kitchen (it was more fun anyway!). I left out &#8220;under god&#8221; during the Pledge in school (nobody noticed). A few years later, my mom made me attend confirmation classes but I thought it was a bunch of nonsense. Shortly after that we switched to a more modern Episcopal church where the minister would occasional swear and I even joined the choir (good snacks!). Too busy or not interested in church during high school. As a college student I never attended church but had a couple of strange experiences with the &#8220;faithful&#8221;. There was the student down the hall who sent 10% of his financial aid to the church and I remember thinking that was just wrong. There was a fundie classmate who was into the whole young earth creationist thing. This kind of blew me away since we were both in the cell and molecular biology program at a large research university. He refused to answer questions dealing with evolution and even showed me his exams with the zeros. I respected his determination but not the arguments. Up until this point I would probably consider myself a weak agnostic, other than a few run-ins with these characters, religion just had little impact on my life.</p>
<p>In graduate school I met a woman who was catholic. She was not that hard-core, though there were a couple of things she was strict about like not missing church and Lent. I cheerfully followed along, perhaps feeling like I did something &#8220;good&#8221; by attending church. After a couple of years dating, we married and had two beautiful, intelligent kids. Slowly the Catholicism was replaced by fundamentalist protestant Christianity. It started with a Bible study class which lead to Sunday *night* services and sometimes Wednesday prayer meetings, AWANA, Vacation Bible Study and other stuff. Our library is filled with books by CS Lewis, James Dobson, Lee Strobel, Josh McDowell and related ilk. I attend Sunday morning service but have made it clear that it is only to &#8220;keep the peace&#8221;. All of our friends are church members, so it is hard to develop more than superficial friendships. I can only protest in silly little ways; by *not* singing at church, *not* bowing my head during prayer in church, small contributions to the collection plate (to pay for the air) despite several pleas that god will bless us if we cough up 10%. I&#8217;ve told my wife she is free to get a job to pay her 10% but she is so tied up with bible studies that won&#8217;t happen. In an odd way this has made me much more liberal on many issues. We don&#8217;t attend any charismatic churches and I have told her that there will be serious problems if she moves in that direction.</p>
<p>So we have this impasse. I don&#8217;t know if religion has helped my wife become a fantastic mother but on other hand I know it has mediocre wife. To be fair, she probably feels the same way about me. We both know that if things were done all over again under the current conditions we never would have had a second date, so yeah, valentine&#8217;s and anniversaries are a bit awkward.</p>
<p>As my children are approaching the end of their high school years they will be under less influence from their mother. There are several looming issues pertaining to college. Their mother has really played up very conservative colleges. I fear attending one of these schools will lock them into a network of like-minded peers, alienating me even further. At this point, the kids have what they think of as a strong faith, is it my job to tear that down? This is a very difficult position, whether a secular or christian university, one parent is going to be disappointed. So in some ways I hope my story is a bit of warning to those consider being &#8220;unequally yoked&#8221;. From what I&#8217;ve observed, people tend to get more conservative in their religious views as time goes on, especially when children are involved.</p>
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